KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 hours ago, IU Scott said: Of those guys I would cut minutes of Kopp and Galloway As in zero minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 hours ago, DWB said: I'm not singling anybody out for less minutes. I believe the rotation should be based on who is producing in a game to game basis. If X or JHS is cold, (or anyone else), sub them out with someone who will produce. Even starters have an off nite once in a while. I'm not crazy about the platoon subbing pattern, because the 2nd platoon has no feel for the game whatsoever. Could take several possessions to aclimate and adjust. IF Woody does indeed, want to play faster, then more subbing may be appropriate to give guys a blow more often. But until I see it, I doubt if we'll play all that fast. (would love to see it, as it's entertaining, but you better be able to shoot...) Ten guys doesn’t mean platoon though. If ten guys play and you adjust minutes throughout, that’s still a ten man rotation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: As in zero minutes? No, but I have always been in favor if using a 8 man rotation. I don't like a lot of subbing especially in close games and I feel constant subbing will not allow your team to get in a rythm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: No, but I have always been in favor if using a 8 man rotation. I don't like a lot of subbing especially in close games and I feel constant subbing will not allow your team to get in a rythm. So you want an 8 man rotation or a 10 man rotation? You are kind of saying both things. Realistically though, the two you mentioned are terrible candidates to play zero/limited minutes. You’re going to have 120 minutes 1-3 and if those two aren’t getting any I’m not sure how you get anywhere close to 120 from those spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: So you want an 8 man rotation or a 10 man rotation? You are kind of saying both things. Realistically though, the two you mentioned are terrible candidates to play zero/limited minutes. You’re going to have 120 minutes 1-3 and if those two aren’t getting any I’m not sure how you get anywhere close to 120 from those spots. I would rather play an 8 man rotation and I play your best players regardless of experience. JHS Bates Johnson TJD Race JG Reneau Banks The three guards and Banks take the minutes for the 1-3 and you can sub to where they don't play huge minutes. TJD, Race and Reneau take the minutes at 4-5. I know it won't happen but if you look at team the lady few years who ayed in the final four most players 7-8 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I would rather play an 8 man rotation and I play your best players regardless of experience. JHS Bates Johnson TJD Race JG Reneau Banks The three guards and Banks take the minutes for the 1-3 and you can sub to where they don't play huge minutes. TJD, Race and Reneau take the minutes at 4-5. I know it won't happen but if you look at team the lady few years who ayed in the final four most players 7-8 players. You think Miller Kopp should get mop up minutes? That's not going to happen... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I would rather play an 8 man rotation and I play your best players regardless of experience. JHS Bates Johnson TJD Race JG Reneau Banks The three guards and Banks take the minutes for the 1-3 and you can sub to where they don't play huge minutes. TJD, Race and Reneau take the minutes at 4-5. I know it won't happen but if you look at team the lady few years who ayed in the final four most players 7-8 players. I’m all for tightening the rotation in certain games and in the tournament, no issue there. The way you’re suggesting it happen though just flat out doesn’t make sense at all. 120 minutes from X, JHS, Bates, and Banks is asking a ton. And 80 minutes for TJD, Race, Reneau, and Geronimo might be fine, but if you’re shortening the rotation why not play 3 guys there and 5 guys 1-3? My personal opinion is you’ll rarely see a lineup without two ball handlers and playmakers, which means JHS, X and Galloway are probably splitting 80 between the three of them. That leaves about 40 for Kopp, Bates, and Banks to split. Obviously in certain games and situations you probably won’t see them all play. Down low you probably would see Geronimo squeezed out in certain situations and let TJD, MR and Race play all 80. Just my two cents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: You think Miller Kopp should get mop up minutes? That's not going to happen... Scott funnels his thoughts through the lens of how it would work out for him in his over 50 church league, not modern basketball. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) More good players is always a good thing. Edited October 4, 2022 by btownqb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) The rotations and who plays tears some of you guys up. It's funny to watch/read. Edited October 4, 2022 by btownqb 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I would rather play an 8 man rotation and I play your best players regardless of experience. JHS Bates Johnson TJD Race JG Reneau Banks The three guards and Banks take the minutes for the 1-3 and you can sub to where they don't play huge minutes. TJD, Race and Reneau take the minutes at 4-5. I know it won't happen but if you look at team the lady few years who ayed in the final four most players 7-8 players. For JG for minutes at the 4-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Shortening the rotation will: - open the door to dissension, inner turmoil in the team, and push players that the staff worked hard to recruit towards the portal - not keep players ready to step up when the inevitable injuries happen - wear down the 7-8 who are playing the minutes. I’m with @btownqb. Shortening should be situational. Gotta keep this talent we’ve accumulated. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Frankly, I hope the situation leads to the opportunity to play the walk-ons every single game. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) If anybody thinks TG shouldn’t play or play very little i think you’re nuts. Guy brings all kinds of energy on both ends and plays solid D. Thinking Banks is going to jump in and take all of his minutes is crazy IMO. Edited October 4, 2022 by kyhoosier29 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Scott funnels his thoughts through the lens of how it would work out for him in his over 50 church league, not modern basketball. Is last year's final four old school. UNC all starters played 30+ minutes, 3 played 10+ minutes and one of them only played 12 games and transfered. Duke 6 players 24+ and 3 of those over 30+. 2 players 11 minutes KU 6 22+ and 3 of those were 30+. 2 8-12 minutes Villanova 6 25+ 3 over 30 minutes. 3 8-10 minutes. The rest of their rosters only got minutes in mop up minutes or in blowouts in non conference. Also I played church league from 17-35 years old Edited October 4, 2022 by IU Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Shortening the rotation will: - open the door to dissension, inner turmoil in the team, and push players that the staff worked hard to recruit towards the portal - not keep players ready to step up when the inevitable injuries happen - wear down the 7-8 who are playing the minutes. I’m with @btownqb. Shortening should be situational. Gotta keep this talent we’ve accumulated. You do what is best for the team and not worry about players feelings. If the best is to play 10+ players fine but most really good teams don't play many players. My other question is why can't things succeed today that worked back in the day. The game is still 40 minutes long and you have 5 TV timeouts like it use to be. If the kids are in better shape and more athletic, why can't they play big minutes like those lazy slobs of the 80's and 90's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You do what is best for the team and not worry about players feelings. If the best is to play 10+ players fine but most really good teams don't play many players. My other question is why can't things succeed today that worked back in the day. The game is still 40 minutes long and you have 5 TV timeouts like it use to be. If the kids are in better shape and more athletic, why can't they play big minutes like those lazy slobs of the 80's and 90's. You’ve never managed people before, have you? I knew you were going to make a “back in the day “ reference regarding this topic. Players today are exerting tremendous energy, effort, and stress on their bodies. Among other things, the shot clock has sped up the game. As such, there is the need for periodic breaks to recoup. Lots of other variables play into this as well. Travel time to meet crazy television schedules don’t help. Playing year round takes a toll as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Is last year's final four old school. UNC all starters played 30+ minutes, 3 played 10+ minutes and one of them only played 12 games and transfered. Duke 6 players 24+ and 3 of those over 30+. 2 players 11 minutes KU 6 22+ and 3 of those were 30+. 2 8-12 minutes Villanova 6 25+ 3 over 30 minutes. 3 8-10 minutes. The rest of their rosters only got minutes in mop up minutes or in blowouts in non conference. Also I played church league from 17-35 years old I didn’t fact check all of this, but I started with UNC since you did. They had 12 guys play 14 or more games. That doesn’t align to what you’re saying or asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: You’ve never managed people before, have you? I knew you were going to make a “back in the day “ reference regarding this topic. Players today are exerting tremendous energy, effort, and stress on their bodies. Among other things, the shot clock has sped up the game. As such, there is the need for periodic breaks to recoup. Lots of other variables play into this as well. Travel time to meet crazy television schedules don’t help. Playing year round takes a toll as well. Actually the pace of the game is slower today even with a shot clock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Frankly, I hope the situation leads to the opportunity to play the walk-ons every single game. This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I didn’t fact check all of this, but I started with UNC since you did. They had 12 guys play 14 or more games. That doesn’t align to what you’re saying or asking for. They calculate mpg with just the total games played. I never said those players never saw the court but I would bet about 3 or 4 of those guys only played in mop up roles or in blowouts. If you just look at mpg those minutes will be over 200 minutes. You see guys averaging 4-5 minutes and played like 14 games I bet those weren't meaningful minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I didn’t fact check all of this, but I started with UNC since you did. They had 12 guys play 14 or more games. That doesn’t align to what you’re saying or asking for. You do realize I was talking about minutes per game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, IU Scott said: 1Armando Bacot393931.66.311.0.5696.210.8.5770.00.2.1253.75.6.6704.28.913.11.50.81.72.02.916.3 2Caleb Love393834.25.113.7.3712.77.1.3802.46.6.3603.43.9.8630.23.23.43.60.90.32.71.715.9 3Brady Manek392730.45.611.4.4933.15.2.6022.56.2.4031.41.9.6971.54.66.11.80.60.71.51.715.1 4RJ Davis393933.94.610.7.4252.96.1.4691.74.6.3672.73.2.8330.63.74.33.61.00.21.92.213.5 5Dawson Garcia161220.62.97.3.4052.25.3.4170.82.0.3752.43.0.7922.13.45.50.70.40.31.32.19.0 6Leaky Black383829.71.83.8.4661.32.5.5370.41.3.3330.91.0.8681.33.04.32.70.90.61.01.74.9 7Kerwin Walton31113.31.23.3.3730.51.2.4050.72.1.3540.20.21.0000.21.01.20.40.20.10.61.13.4 8Puff Johnson24010.41.22.5.4590.91.5.6290.31.1.2310.50.8.7220.81.22.00.50.30.20.11.13.1 9Anthony Harris14011.70.91.9.4810.71.6.4550.20.4.6000.60.6.8890.10.20.40.60.10.00.81.22.6 10Dontrez Styles3005.80.81.8.4360.71.2.5680.10.6.1670.30.5.5330.41.11.40.10.20.10.40.52.0 11D'Marco Dunn2304.10.41.3.2900.30.7.3750.10.7.2000.00.1.3330.00.30.30.30.00.00.30.31.0 12Justin McKoy3007.00.31.2.2220.20.8.2170.10.4.2310.40.5.8000.41.01.40.50.10.10.41.01.0 13Duwe Farris601.70.30.31.0000.30.31.0000.00.00.20.3.5000.20.30.50.00.00.00.00.50.8 14Jackson Watkins301.00.00.7.0000.00.3.0000.00.3.0000.30.7.5000.00.70.70.30.30.00.00.7 Is that a metric? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, IUFLA said: Is that a metric? 😉 I delete that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, IU Scott said: They calculate mpg with just the total games played. I never said those players never saw the court but I would bet about 3 or 4 of those guys only played in mop up roles or in blowouts. If you just look at mpg those minutes will be over 200 minutes. You see guys averaging 4-5 minutes and played like 14 games I bet those weren't meaningful minutes Player G GS MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 1 Armando Bacot 39 39 31.6 6.3 11.0 .569 6.2 10.8 .577 0.0 0.2 .125 3.7 5.6 .670 4.2 8.9 13.1 1.5 0.8 1.7 2.0 2.9 16.3 2 Caleb Love 39 38 34.2 5.1 13.7 .371 2.7 7.1 .380 2.4 6.6 .360 3.4 3.9 .863 0.2 3.2 3.4 3.6 0.9 0.3 2.7 1.7 15.9 3 Brady Manek 39 27 30.4 5.6 11.4 .493 3.1 5.2 .602 2.5 6.2 .403 1.4 1.9 .697 1.5 4.6 6.1 1.8 0.6 0.7 1.5 1.7 15.1 4 RJ Davis 39 39 33.9 4.6 10.7 .425 2.9 6.1 .469 1.7 4.6 .367 2.7 3.2 .833 0.6 3.7 4.3 3.6 1.0 0.2 1.9 2.2 13.5 5 Dawson Garcia 16 12 20.6 2.9 7.3 .405 2.2 5.3 .417 0.8 2.0 .375 2.4 3.0 .792 2.1 3.4 5.5 0.7 0.4 0.3 1.3 2.1 9.0 6 Leaky Black 38 38 29.7 1.8 3.8 .466 1.3 2.5 .537 0.4 1.3 .333 0.9 1.0 .868 1.3 3.0 4.3 2.7 0.9 0.6 1.0 1.7 4.9 7 Kerwin Walton 31 1 13.3 1.2 3.3 .373 0.5 1.2 .405 0.7 2.1 .354 0.2 0.2 1.000 0.2 1.0 1.2 0.4 0.2 0.1 0.6 1.1 3.4 8 Puff Johnson 24 0 10.4 1.2 2.5 .459 0.9 1.5 .629 0.3 1.1 .231 0.5 0.8 .722 0.8 1.2 2.0 0.5 0.3 0.2 0.1 1.1 3.1 9 Anthony Harris 14 0 11.7 0.9 1.9 .481 0.7 1.6 .455 0.2 0.4 .600 0.6 0.6 .889 0.1 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.1 0.0 0.8 1.2 2.6 10 Dontrez Styles 30 0 5.8 0.8 1.8 .436 0.7 1.2 .568 0.1 0.6 .167 0.3 0.5 .533 0.4 1.1 1.4 0.1 0.2 0.1 0.4 0.5 2.0 11 D'Marco Dunn 23 0 4.1 0.4 1.3 .290 0.3 0.7 .375 0.1 0.7 .200 0.0 0.1 .333 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 1.0 12 Justin McKoy 30 0 7.0 0.3 1.2 .222 0.2 0.8 .217 0.1 0.4 .231 0.4 0.5 .800 0.4 1.0 1.4 0.5 0.1 0.1 0.4 1.0 1.0 13 Duwe Farris 6 0 1.7 0.3 0.3 1.000 0.3 0.3 1.000 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.3 .500 0.2 0.3 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.8 14 Jackson Watkins 3 0 1.0 0.0 0.7 .000 0.0 0.3 .000 0.0 0.3 .000 0.3 0.7 .500 0.0 0.7 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.7 0.3 15 Rob Landry 3 0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.0 0.0 16 Creighton Lebo 5 0 1.6 0.0 0.4 .000 0.0 0.2 .000 0.0 0.2 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.4 0.0 0.0 17 Ryan McAdoo 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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