Basketball Junkie Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: Both of those guys missed time and practice time. Thompson was also injured some of the year Sugar coat it any way you choose. But there's no way with the talent that team had it should have lost nearly as many games as it did. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, Basketball Junkie said: Sugar coat it any way you choose. But there's no way with the talent that team had it should have lost nearly as many games as it did. Didn't we finished tied for second last year. Could be and had two first round pick and one of the best big man in the country and didn't make the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketball Junkie Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Didn't we finished tied for second last year. Could be and had two first round pick and one of the best big man in the country and didn't make the tournament. I have no idea what point you are even attempting to make here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Basketball Junkie said: Sugar coat it any way you choose. But there's no way with the talent that team had it should have lost nearly as many games as it did. Ridiculous. Did you watch any college basketball last season? Kansas lost 8 games Duke lost 9 games Kentucky lost 12 games North Carolina lost 13 games Michigan State lost 13 games Michigan lost 16 games IU lost 12 games. You seriously think IU had more talent than all those teams? Talent doesn't mean you won't lose any games. Your premise that IU should have lost a lot fewer games is just silly. IU had talent but IU was still in year two of a new offensive and defensive system and coaching staff. The idea that they should have been nearly undefeated last season is just silly. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 15 hours ago, Basketball Junkie said: And the fact remains that 2 of the best players in the conference were still on the team. Had it been one of them injured it's a different story. Didn't we finish like 2nd or 3rd in the conference and a Top 4 seed in the NCAAs? What was the expectation? But, factually speaking, those two WERE injured... so... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Basketball Junkie said: Sugar coat it any way you choose. But there's no way with the talent that team had it should have lost nearly as many games as it did. You're overrating the true talent we had on that roster, especially once XJ went down. Edited August 20, 2023 by btownqb 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ledies22 Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Everyone else except for a couple on here think IU has turned around. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Don't forget we had one of the hardest schedules in the country last year. Looking forward to an easier conference schedule this year. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Last 2 recruiting cycles IU, has finished 12th (2022) and 10th (2023) Nationally... and 4th and 2nd in the Big 10... TJD and JHS kinda speaks volumes about the development side of Coach Woodson's program... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketball Junkie Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 11 hours ago, FKIM01 said: Ridiculous. Did you watch any college basketball last season? Kansas lost 8 games Duke lost 9 games Kentucky lost 12 games North Carolina lost 13 games Michigan State lost 13 games Michigan lost 16 games IU lost 12 games. You seriously think IU had more talent than all those teams? Talent doesn't mean you won't lose any games. Your premise that IU should have lost a lot fewer games is just silly. IU had talent but IU was still in year two of a new offensive and defensive system and coaching staff. The idea that they should have been nearly undefeated last season is just silly. So they should get blown out by Rutgers? Should lose at home to Northwestern? Should get blown out by Penn St? Should get blown out at home by Iowa? You don't think they had more talent than those teams? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Basketball Junkie said: So they should get blown out by Rutgers? Should lose at home to Northwestern? Should get blown out by Penn St? Should get blown out at home by Iowa? You don't think they had more talent than those teams? Maybe Northwestern. The others are debatable, especially when injuries are taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketball Junkie Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, btownqb said: Didn't we finish like 2nd or 3rd in the conference and a Top 4 seed in the NCAAs? What was the expectation? But, factually speaking, those two WERE injured... so... Yes. At 12-8. 3 games behind Purdue. With like 6 other teams tied at 11-9. So far closer to being tied for 7th-8th than winning. My expectations with a 1st team AA and the FOY playing in a weak conference would be to at least compete for a championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketball Junkie Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, btownqb said: You're overrating the true talent we had on that roster, especially once XJ went down. Possibly so, but the top end talent was very good. And the supporting cast was far from terrible. If so that doesn't bode well for this year. Compare IU vs Purdue for a second. Even though I think TJD is far more talented than Edey I will consider those 2 equal. From there who had more talent? JHS is far better than anything Purdue had. Are Smith or Loyer far superior to Galloway? Are Furst or Gillis superior to Reneau? The fact that IU won both game vs them tells me the answer to those questions is no. But Painter was able to get 15 wins out of what most anyone would say is a much less talented team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Didn't we finish like 2nd or 3rd in the conference and a Top 4 seed in the NCAAs? What was the expectation? But, factually speaking, those two WERE injured... so... JHS injury cost us at least one win, arguably two. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Basketball Junkie said: Possibly so, but the top end talent was very good. And the supporting cast was far from terrible. If so that doesn't bode well for this year. Compare IU vs Purdue for a second. Even though I think TJD is far more talented than Edey I will consider those 2 equal. From there who had more talent? JHS is far better than anything Purdue had. Are Smith or Loyer far superior to Galloway? Are Furst or Gillis superior to Reneau? The fact that IU won both game vs them tells me the answer to those questions is no. But Painter was able to get 15 wins out of what most anyone would say is a much less talented team. Wait… you’re talking conference wins? So you’re just gonna ignore the difference in schedules? you really put the junk it junkie. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 59 minutes ago, Basketball Junkie said: Yes. At 12-8. 3 games behind Purdue. With like 6 other teams tied at 11-9. So far closer to being tied for 7th-8th than winning. My expectations with a 1st team AA and the FOY playing in a weak conference would be to at least compete for a championship. So we did finish 2nd or 3rd. 👍 We pretty much weren't going to win the conference once XJ went down, I would think realistically speaking most fans should have understood that.. But hey, high expectations are great. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Basketball Junkie said: So they should get blown out by Rutgers? Should lose at home to Northwestern? Should get blown out by Penn St? Should get blown out at home by Iowa? You don't think they had more talent than those teams? Weren't all those teams NCAA teams/Rutgers is pretty good at home, were a tourney team until the last two weeks, we played without JHS... ??? I mean, yeah we played some poor basketball in those games. It isn't clear your point in bringing up our losses... You do realize if we win those games... we're 27-8 and probably a 2 seed in the tourney? Which, if we had XJ.. thats exactly where I think we would have ended up... ish. But without... pretty much, I thought we reached our ceiling. But to seriously think we just pooped the bed last year? I guess if thats your point in all this.. Meh. You can have that opinion, I certainly don't share it. I was frustrated with not playing better the last 10 mins against Miami? Edited August 20, 2023 by btownqb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 It also turns out.. Miami was pretty good. But, no I don't think we had more offensive talent than Iowa or Penn State when we played them both without XJ. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: TJD and JHS kinda speaks volumes about the development side of Coach Woodson's program... Correct! I remember TJD saying on multiple occasions that Archie limited his rim protection (read blocks) in his defensive "scheme". Woody turned him loose and in 2 years TJD is in the top 3(?) in blocked shots in IU history. Imagine the record he'd set if he was turned loose for all 4 years.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, DWB said: Correct! I remember TJD saying on multiple occasions that Archie limited his rim protection (read blocks) in his defensive "scheme". Woody turned him loose and in 2 years TJD is in the top 3(?) in blocked shots in IU history. Imagine the record he'd set if he was turned loose for all 4 years.... And TJD development as a passer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Robby Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Not sure if mentioned, but the million $ raise shows commitment to the future of the program, especially to the class of 25 and beyond. I’m guessing Woody coaches 5-7 more years? Maybe 3-4? But the foundation he has laid with what he inherited and what he and his staff have recruited, is certainly worthy of a raise in today’s game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, DWB said: Woody turned him loose and in 2 years TJD is in the top 3(?) in blocked shots in IU history. #1...He passed Jeff Newton for the top spot in the Minnesota game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketball Junkie Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 hours ago, btownqb said: Weren't all those teams NCAA teams/Rutgers is pretty good at home, were a tourney team until the last two weeks, we played without JHS... ??? I mean, yeah we played some poor basketball in those games. It isn't clear your point in bringing up our losses... You do realize if we win those games... we're 27-8 and probably a 2 seed in the tourney? Which, if we had XJ.. thats exactly where I think we would have ended up... ish. But without... pretty much, I thought we reached our ceiling. But to seriously think we just pooped the bed last year? I guess if thats your point in all this.. Meh. You can have that opinion, I certainly don't share it. I was frustrated with not playing better the last 10 mins against Miami? No, last year was definitely not just a wasted year. But a team that has TJD, a first team AA, one of the best to ever play here plus a stud like JHS to complement him should have high expectations. IMO higher than what they accomplished. Given what those 2 did, then yes, tying for 2nd 3 games out of first and getting pummeled in the 2nd round of the tournament is a dissapointment. Guys like TJD don't come along often. Pretty much non existant to have someone that good for a 3rd year. When you do those need to become the special seasons. As has been discussed before you give Johnson far more credit than what I do. I guess this coming year will truly show what his value is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, Basketball Junkie said: No, last year was definitely not just a wasted year. But a team that has TJD, a first team AA, one of the best to ever play here plus a stud like JHS to complement him should have high expectations. IMO higher than what they accomplished. Given what those 2 did, then yes, tying for 2nd 3 games out of first and getting pummeled in the 2nd round of the tournament is a dissapointment. Guys like TJD don't come along often. Pretty much non existant to have someone that good for a 3rd year. When you do those need to become the special seasons. As has been discussed before you give Johnson far more credit than what I do. I guess this coming year will truly show what his value is. I'm shocked I give more credit to XJ than you. "Far more" 🤣🙄 If you cannot accept/admit someone that avg 11p-13p 5a 3r and is a great defender against quick guards was a MASSIVE missing piece.. that would be pretty confusing to me... But, you thought we should have been a 2 seed even after XJ went down? Or more like a 4 seed... which we were? You've not addressed that part of my post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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