DireBump Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, 5 championships said: Which has always been the problem and why it would be great for Allen to work out. Who is going to stay at IU as HC after success when the big boys come calling…basically nobody unless they have ties to the state like Allen We can get people to stay if we pay them appropriately. Allen doesn't just stay because he loves Indiana so much, look at his contract. Dude is making $5M per year. For example, Matt Campbell has stuck it out with Iowa St for all these years and he doesn't necessarily have ties to Iowa. Plus we will be in a power 2 conference with multiple marquee matchups every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 7, 2023 Report Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, 5 championships said: Which has always been the problem and why it would be great for Allen to work out. Who is going to stay at IU as HC after success when the big boys come calling…basically nobody unless they have ties to the state like Allen I don’t know about that. If you pay them well (and why couldn’t we given the tv money we will have) no reason to go somewhere else. Mark Stoops is like the second longest tenured coach in the SEC…I’m sure he has been approached many times to leave UK. Why leave a school where you are celebrated like a king if you go 8-4 to somewhere they will burn your picture for the same record? Edited October 7, 2023 by dgambill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbound Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 12/7/2021 at 3:54 PM, htownbound said: Why give this guy a chance to destroy the program?? Why “see what he’s got”? Next year is a make or break year, and we don't have time to play around and give previously mediocre coaches a chance. We have all of the other pieces we need to be successful, but if Bell is our OC, we will most likely fail (I’ve posted his numbers below) with our schedule and Allen will be fired if next season is like this one. We would go back to where we were over a decade ago: no belief, no recruits, no good coaches, and no identity. I’m not sitting around another 10 years to get back to where we are now just because everyone wanted to give a mediocre hire a chance. Time is of the essence, and he is not an official hire [yet]. If he becomes official, then sure, I’ll cave. For now though, everyone needs to read the information and speak up. I’m going to post the same thing here that I did over at BTB. ““He is bad… here’s the best possible information that’s available (and really the only number you need to look at). His offensive efficiency numbers by year and team: 2014 - OC - Arkansas St 76th 2015 - OC - Arkansas St 78th 2016 - OC - Maryland 68th 2017- OC - Maryland 70th 2018 - OC - FSU 106th 2019 - HC - UMASS - 128th 2020 - HC - UMASS - 126th 2021 - HC - UMASS - 127th For reference, Coach Sheridan sat 104th in efficiency this year. For further comparison, here are the offensive efficiency numbers (from good years) at IU previously: DeBoer: 2019 - 17th Wilson / Kevin Johns / Seth Littrel: 2016 - 53rd 2015 - 27th 2014 - 71st 2013 - 20th 2012 - 49th The numbers from former IU coaches are the numbers we know we need to compete in the B1G, and Bell is nowhere near them. I know Bell did great things with the rushing game at Maryland, or the passing game at FSU (think they finished top 2 in ACC that year), but his offenses still stunk. You can have all the stats that you want, but if your offense isn’t efficient, can't convert on 3rd down, stay on the field, win the turnover battle, or score when needed, then what good are stats?? Hopefully something changes in the next (24 hours!)”” I will also say this: there are not three people I could think of for this role. There are about 12-15, including Seth Littrel OR even Kevin Johns. This is just a flat out bad hire if it goes through. Just wanted to come back to say I was right. Numbers do matter. Thanks for not getting riled up to do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbound Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 12/8/2021 at 3:13 PM, BobSaccamanno said: Nobody cares because your thesis is full of speculation, with some nonsense thrown in. I don't know why you are stuck on this. Relax, you might be a good poster with good ideas, and that would be entirely welcome, but on this one, we get your point and people have responded. Hey Bob…. Now that the program is ruined, you got anything to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 34 minutes ago, htownbound said: Hey Bob…. Now that the program is ruined, you got anything to say? Is this really necessary?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbound Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said: Is this really necessary?? Yes, people need to realize that advanced analytics aren’t just hearsay. Follow the analytics, and you will find success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 I can honestly say I don't remember 90% of what I posted last week, let alone 2 years ago. Not sure what to think about someone that remembers well enough to dredge up comments made two years ago (ex-wives not withstanding). 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, htownbound said: Yes, people need to realize that advanced analytics aren’t just hearsay. Follow the analytics, and you will find success. That's all well and good, but I don't think it is appropriate to call someone out in that manner about a post made 2 years back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I can honestly say I don't remember 90% of what I posted last week, let alone 2 years ago. Not sure what to think about someone that remembers well enough to dredge up comments made two years ago (ex-wives not withstanding). Hell, I don't remember what I ate for dinner last night. "Alcohol was not involved." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, htownbound said: Hey Bob…. Now that the program is ruined, you got anything to say? I don’t remember the whole context. Regardless, I didn’t meant to offend you. I’m not against analytics so I don’t know what precipitated everything. I don’t remember this chain whatsoever. Hopefully you will stay and post more and we can have lively discussion. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: I don’t remember the whole context. Regardless, I didn’t meant to offend you. I’m not against analytics so I don’t know what precipitated everything. I don’t remember this chain whatsoever. Hopefully you will stay and post more and we can have lively discussion. Perfect Bob. 👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, htownbound said: Just wanted to come back to say I was right. Numbers do matter. Thanks for not getting riled up to do anything about it. I have zero idea regarding the chain but you seemed pretty spot on in your assessment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: I can honestly say I don't remember 90% of what I posted last week, let alone 2 years ago. Not sure what to think about someone that remembers well enough to dredge up comments made two years ago (ex-wives not withstanding). I'm just glad I've never posted anything that hasn't proven to be 100% accurate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naturalhoosier Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: I don’t remember the whole context. Regardless, I didn’t meant to offend you. I’m not against analytics so I don’t know what precipitated everything. I don’t remember this chain whatsoever. Hopefully you will stay and post more and we can have lively discussion. Damn. This could have gone sideways quickly. Well done Bobby! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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