btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, kyhoosier29 said: Because commitments should be honored, unless the terms change. And I don’t like the idea of adults trying to persuade kids to break commitments. 🤷🏻♂️ With that said, my guess is that Woody reached out because there was indicated interest from Davis. Commitments mean nothing unless you've signed a paper, literally. Continue to recruit anyone we think we have a chance with or might decommit, or might transfer, or might have a coach fired. Etc. Recruit them all. They do it to us, and we should be no different. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 Oh Lord! Another back and forth between the Holy’s and the Hellion’s! 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, HoosierDPU95 said: Exactly! The "flip" in football recruiting happens all the time and it's basically celebrated Yes. Ethics and morals were thrown out the door a long time ago in recruiting. And Indiana didn't start the trend, but we gain nothing by being "morally superior". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, Drroogh said: Oh Lord! Another back and forth between the Holy’s and the Hellion’s! I assumed we were suppose to discuss on a message board? My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, jay edwards brother said: I have watched several highlight videos, listened to an interview, and read the point-guard-eyes evaluation. I hope this young man becomes a Hoosier. My question is why did he decommit from Providence?? I could joke….straight cash 💰 might have helped but playing time ! He has to beat out Cupps and potential portal guy for PG minutes If he cares….IU & Big Ten are great academically & in basketball 🏀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, btownqb said: Yes. Ethics and morals were thrown out the door a long time ago in recruiting. And Indiana didn't start the trend, but we gain nothing by being "morally superior". Tell that to your boss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 If I’m a PC fan if he doesn’t want to be here….best of luck I used to think players who transferred HS or decommited were trouble it happens so often who knows a 17 year old changing their mind isn't a big deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, DWB said: Tell that to your boss... I worked for at least two companies where one day the CEO was mysteriously no longer employed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, btownqb said: Why? This is Providences fault. We just might reap the rewards. It will help the power teams but I feel for the teams like Providence that get on a guy early who might be overlooked. The thing I don't like is he decommtted a week before signing day and if it were August I wouldn't have much of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: I could joke….straight cash 💰 might have helped but playing time ! He has to beat out Cupps and potential portal guy for PG minutes If he cares….IU & Big Ten are great academically & in basketball 🏀 Cupps is a year older and due to their size probably they likely both wouldn't be on the floor together much. Davis would be able to ease into college ball his freshman year and learn the PG position from Woody. Would be a nice complement to Cupps as a Soph and Jr where maybe they each play 20 minutes? Then takes over his Sr year? https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-basketball-recruiting-class-of-2024-names-to-know-pg-daquan-davis/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said: Exactly! The "flip" in football recruiting happens all the time and it's basically celebrated IU has been in the other side of the football flip and never liked it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, DWB said: Tell that to your boss... Why would I tell my boss that Indiana doesn't need to be morally superior in recruiting? I doubt he cares. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, IU Scott said: It will help the power teams but I feel for the teams like Providence that get on a guy early who might be overlooked. The thing I don't like is he decommtted a week before signing day and if it were August I wouldn't have much of a problem. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the heavy lifting here in terms of connecting him to IU is being handled amongst players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, btownqb said: Why? SMH, just my beliefs. It doesn't give Providence enough time to go out and try to get another PG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 @kyhoosier29 I understand what you're saying in that recruiting should be more ethical, I just don't think we can afford to "be the nice guys".. just how I see it. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: SMH, just my beliefs. It doesn't give Providence enough time to go out and try to get another PG. ....but why should we care? They have AMPLE amounts of time to find a replacement. Edited October 30, 2023 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: SMH, just my beliefs. It doesn't give Providence enough time to go out and try to get another PG. They'll have 2 on the roster next year as it stands... I think that's one of the reasons Davis reconsidered... That and the fact we'll only have Cupps, and probably better NIL money... Just learning an early life lesson that if a better opportunity comes along, take it... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) If you’re not recruiting ANYONE you have a chance with you’re not doing your job. Verbal commitments are HS “going steady.” Means very little. If it meant something fine, but it doesn’t mean much. Edited October 30, 2023 by BADGERVOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said: If you’re not recruiting ANYONE you have a chance with you’re not doing your job. Verbal commitments are HS “going steady.” Means very little. If it meant something fine, but it doesn’t mean much. I mean we snatched Eric Gordon 16 years ago. Nobody complained back then. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, btownqb said: @kyhoosier29 I understand what you're saying in that recruiting should be more ethical, I just don't think we can afford to "be the nice guys".. just how I see it. Besides finishing last, I think if the recruit starts looking at a potentially better situation they should! Even if the opportunity was presented to them after they verbally committed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, btownqb said: ....but why should we care? They have AMPLE amounts of time to find a replacement. You think PC doesn’t have a list of potential flips? You think they aren’t scouting every game for portal guys in 24 & 25? You think this kid won’t consider leaving IU if something else pops up? Or IU won’t gently push him out the door if it doesn’t work out? This is professional basketball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: @kyhoosier29 I understand what you're saying in that recruiting should be more ethical, I just don't think we can afford to "be the nice guys".. just how I see it. Fair enough. If it’s happening, and part of the game, then don’t fall behind. I’m certainly onboard for the playing in the gray area on different things. Just don’t like the message it sends to kids that a commitment isn’t really a commitment. If circumstances surrounding a kid’s commitment changes, then I understand that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Fair enough. If it’s happening, and part of the game, then don’t fall behind. I’m certainly onboard for the playing in the gray area on different things. Just don’t like the message it sends to kids that a commitment isn’t really a commitment. If circumstances surrounding a kid’s commitment changes, then I understand that. I am right with you ky... Not only do I not like the message it may send to the player, but more than anything, the parents/grandparents or guardians.... Unfortunately there are some players and parents that really don't care how or which way recruiting gets done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common Sense Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 Verbal commitments aren't worth the paper they are printed on. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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