OGIUAndy Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Im guessing none of you have ever had a knife pulled on you or a gun in your face. Well I have. Mgbako didn't do anything other than than make the mistake of not driving away. I have had a few unpleasant and unwarranted run ins with the cops over the years. That being said, it's not a great idea to not do what the cops tell you to do. Don't make a bad night worse. Edited October 23, 2023 by OGIUAndy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: I generally agree, but I do question what caused MM to turn around when he started to leave. Do we know anything about that? No, we don't. And, it is an important question. That is one of the things that Coach Woodson needs to get to the bottom of. But, the police we're already involved at that point. If I was Coach Woodson, I would have hoped it had never got to that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: I have had a few unpleasant and unwarranted run ins with the cops over the years. That being said, it's not a great idea to not do what the cops tell you to do. Don't make a bad night worse. In October 2019 I was swatted. You know what that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Doubt if I will ever have a neighbor like that Sometimes you don't have to look for trouble to find it... That's the case with @mrflynn03...he's overcome quite a bit for a young fella... I seriously doubt Mac went out looking for trouble, but... The older I get, I keep telling myself that it's easier for me to control my temper, but in today's world, that's not always the case... But I'm much better than when I was 18 🙂 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: In October 2019 I was swatted. You know what that is? Set aside your mistrust of the police for a moment. Is getting arrested for not getting a Cheesy Gordita Crunch a sign of good decision making? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: Set aside your mistrust of the police for a moment. Is getting arrested for not getting a Cheesy Gordita Crunch a sign of good decision making? Have you ever been arrested with cops bearing down on you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Sometimes you don't have to look for trouble to find it... That's the case with @mrflynn03...he's overcome quite a bit for a young fella... I seriously doubt Mac went out looking for trouble, but... The older I get, I keep telling myself that it's easier for me to control my temper, but in today's world, that's not always the case... But I'm much better than when I was 18 🙂 Your experience and mine as well are irrelevant to this situation. Neither of us were in the situation this guy is. Neither of us had the expectations this guy has. Neither of us were given a boatload of money to represent a state university. With all that comes a level of responsibility that MM obviously needs to learn. He doesn’t have the luxury of time and anonymity to make mistakes like this and have them attributed to being young, dumb and unemployed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, mrflynn03 said: Have you ever been arrested with cops bearing down on you? As I stated in an earlier post, I would have never got angry enough about the situation for the cops to have even been called. Analysis of this story should not be focused on what the police did, but what Mgbako did. Rightfully or wrongfully, once it became evident he was not getting his taco, he should have just left. That's applying good judgement to a bad situation. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Lucky you. Luckily I live in a small country town but I'm working my ass off to do better. I almost PM’ed you, but I think I’d rather put it out publicly… I appreciate you sharing your experiences - you always do, and it’s always appreciated by me. You’ve probably experienced a lot of shit most of us haven’t. I’m sorry some folks are taking a condescending tone because you’ve gone through stuff no one should have to go through. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, 5fouls said: No, we don't. And, it is an important question. That is one of the things that Coach Woodson needs to get to the bottom of. But, the police we're already involved at that point. If I was Coach Woodson, I would have hoped it had never got to that point. And I completely agree. He should have left. I am pretty comfortable saying that MM and the Taco Bell employees handled this poorly. I’m unsure if the police did or not. If MM and TB handle it better, the third point doesn’t come into question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 If we turn the focus to the police, we're essentially justifying Mgbako's actions for the entirety of the incident. I don't understand why we would want to do that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, go_iu_bb said: This is a great point. I realized about 10 years ago my experiences with police as a white guy are different than those of POC. I was driving with a couple of Hispanic friends as passengers. We were on a freeway that was moving ok but a lot of traffic. There was a cop in the lane next to me driving like an a-hole. I gave him an annoyed look and my friends were like, "What are you doing!?" They really thought my look was going to get us pulled over and messed with. That really hit me. Knowing something that simple can set cops off when the person has dark skin, I'm not surprised MM didn't want to get out of the car. If they were determined to arrest him (they were - they broke his window to get him), I can't imagine they were acting very reasonable at that point. I have never had any issues with cops. But I have a friend (former IU football player) who has gotten the “where are you going/do you live around here/why are you in this neighborhood” routine from IMPD cops when driving back to his house from the gym, when he’s in a sweat suit instead of his normal casual or professional attire. if Mgbako has had that kind of experience before, I don’t blame him for not trusting the cops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Your experience and mine as well are irrelevant to this situation. Neither of us were in the situation this guy is. Neither of us had the expectations this guy has. Neither of us were given a boatload of money to represent a state university. With all that comes a level of responsibility that MM obviously needs to learn. He doesn’t have the luxury of time and anonymity to make mistakes like this and have them attributed to being young, dumb and unemployed I totally agree MM needs to learn from this and I’m sure coach will make sure of it! However, you state that ‘Your experience and mine as well are irrelevant to this situation.’ yet you insist on judging based on your experience????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If we turn the focus to the police, we're essentially justifying Mgbako's actions for the entirety of the incident. I don't understand why we would want to do that. Have you ever, in your life had police officers coming at you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think we are thinking way too broadly and deeply here. It sounds like a dumb situation with multiple parties probably behaving poorly. I don't see some big culture statement here on a parking lot confrontation that lead to a couple misdemeanors. I am not downplaying the situation. But I think the reactions and assumptions here are bigger than the event 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If we turn the focus to the police, we're essentially justifying Mgbako's actions for the entirety of the incident. I don't understand why we would want to do that. How are we doing that? Are we not capable of discussing what each party involved may have done right or wrong? This is an example, but all these things can be true: MM was right to be upset at Taco Bell MM should have left Taco Bell before it got to that point The police could have also mishandled the situation, or they may not have. We don’t really know at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: The police could have also mishandled the situation, or they may not have. We don’t really know at this point. I think the punishment he gets from Woodson will be telling in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I think the punishment he gets from Woodson will be telling in that regard. Maybe - even if MM was the only one wrong in the entire situation I still don't think this deserves any sort of significant punishment. How would you punish MM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: Maybe - even if MM was the only one wrong in the entire situation I still don't think this deserves any sort of significant punishment. How would you punish MM? If he is 100% in the wrong as described in the story, I would hand out a 6 game suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If he is 100% in the wrong as described in the story, I would hand out a 6 game suspension. Is that also what you think Woodson will do, if MM is 100% in the wrong as described? X got nothing, Windy City 5 got 1-game, and it was at the request of TJD and Race.... Edited October 23, 2023 by KoB2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFaithful Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 hours ago, BGleas said: Yeah, by no means trying to obsolve Mgbako of his behavior. He absolutely has to be better and seemingly double/tripled down on his poor behavior when the police gave him several chances to get out of there. But with that said, just following along on X/Twitter, by all accounts this Taco Bell location is notorious for treating people terribly and having a horrible staff. This Taco Bell has been notorious since I was in Bloomington about ten years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, 5fouls said: If this was a Mason Gillis story instead of a M. Mgbako story, there is not a poster on this board that would be giving Gillis the benefit of the doubt. Let's all just admit this is not the type of situation that we want an IU player to get himself into and trust that Coach Woodson will handle it correctly. This is also a great point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 I totally get that we all live different lives. We all have different challenges. I don't get where this is very relevant to the fact that he was at TB at 3am causing enough of a scene to get the police called then having his window broken and wrestled to the ground and that we search for reasons why that behavior is okay. Also get that some police officers are not good people, but don't get why we assume that all or bad. I'd rather avoid politics, race debates, etc on here and talk about Hoosier basketball. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Hoopsier Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 I come in peace, please do shoot. I have not read every post so if this has been mentioned, I apologize in advance. If I recall correctly, Momma Mgbako requested CMW recruit her son. Maybe Momma bear knew that her baby boy had some poor decision making skills when it comes to authority. ?? Maybe? I'm am firmly in the camp (at this point anyway) that MM did something stupid, but it isn't a huge thing. He screwed up, CMW has a few very "well son WTF were you thinking" type conversations, here is your schedule for the next 2 weeks that you will follow to the letter. Your next work out is 5:30 AM tomorrow morning. I'll see you there son, don't be late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 9 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: You ever have a cop kicking in your door because your neighbors swatted you, telling the cops that your shooting guns at their house at 3 in the morning? That isn't a police problem, it is a neighbor problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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