02Hoosier Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 16 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: I don't think that starting back court provides nearly enough 3 point shooting, especially with Tucker at the 3. I also think they'll both expect to run the show, and have the ball in their hands a good share of the time. Could be wrong, but unless both are simply looking for a pay day, I don't see why they'd sign up to play together. Could certainly be wrong, though. I could see them co-existing but I agree with the point you’re making. Thornton is a 35% career 3pt shooter, Perkins 31.7%, and let’s throw in Gallo at 30%. All similar players, and none of them great shooters. It’d be like Groundhog Day, another year without guards that can reliably knock down shots. Now to be clear, I really like both Perkins and Thornton and I’d take either of them in a heartbeat. I think both of them raise our floor a lot. I would just feel a lot more comfortable knowing they have some shooting threats around them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 27 Author Report Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, RoadToZion said: Yes, we got him. Now six more to go. Can you give me a breakdown of Perkins? I know you posted he was a winner and a bulldog but these stats just don’t excite me unless these last 11 games he was injured then that changes things a little. We need ALOT of shooters and adding him as someone who will need/want big time minutes just doesn’t excite me especially if we are adding Tucker who isn’t good at 3’s and not sure Mgbako is gonna be good at threes next year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadToZion Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said: Can you give me a breakdown of Perkins? I know you posted he was a winner and a bulldog but these stats just don’t excite me unless these last 11 games he was injured then that changes things a little. We need ALOT of shooters and adding him as someone who will need/want big time minutes just doesn’t excite me especially if we are adding Tucker who isn’t good at 3’s and not sure Mgbako is gonna be good at threes next year either. I didn’t say that. I said I haven’t heard anything about him but would love to have him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 27 Author Report Share Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, RoadToZion said: I didn’t say that. I said I haven’t heard anything about him but would love to have him. Oh I apologize I thought that was you that said he was a bulldog and a winner. Sorry about that. I dont really want him on the team but if someone explains stuff about him I can get on board. Good thing is having 1 year only left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 12 minutes ago, RoadToZion said: I didn’t say that. I said I haven’t heard anything about him but would love to have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom White Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, RoadToZion said: Yes, we got him. Now six more to go. I hope you are not a bit premature on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Thornton or Perkins Leland Walker Ryan Conwell Hickman Tucker Blazi Best rim protector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 27 Author Report Share Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Thornton or Perkins Leland Walker Ryan Conwell Hickman Tucker Blazi Best rim protector I want Conwell on this team more than anyone. That dude is a freaking monster!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Watched Perkins play a lot over the years, and he's more of a 2 than a 1...He was kinda forced to play PG when Ulis left, and freshman Brock Harding was the only true point guard on the roster... I haven't seen anything on Thornton leaving OSU, and if people are gauging that on Meechie Johnson going to the Buckeyes, I think those 2 could co-exist, but it'd be hard... Thornton is a natural 1 but can be very ball dominant...He and Perkins would be a pretty good tandem in the backcourt... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 27 Author Report Share Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Watched Perkins play a lot over the years, and he's more of a 2 than a 1...He was kinda forced to play PG when Ulis left, and freshman Brock Harding was the only true point guard on the roster... I haven't seen anything on Thornton leaving OSU, and if people are gauging that on Meechie Johnson going to the Buckeyes, I think those 2 could co-exist, but it'd be hard... Thornton is a natural 1 but can be very ball dominant...He and Perkins would be a pretty good tandem in the backcourt... To me I don’t want to bring in players that don’t make us better. We need shooters. Let’s say Perkins, Gallo, and Newton take up all 40 minutes at the 2 spot. Yes you’ll get intensity and good at driving the ball but you’re only gonna get 30% from 3 plus add in Tucker whose known weakness is shooting the 3 plus Mgbako being a streaky shooter it just all of a sudden feels no different than last year and I don’t want us to have another last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, IUfaninIllinois said: To me I don’t want to bring in players that don’t make us better. We need shooters. Let’s say Perkins, Gallo, and Newton take up all 40 minutes at the 2 spot. Yes you’ll get intensity and good at driving the ball but you’re only gonna get 30% from 3 plus add in Tucker whose known weakness is shooting the 3 plus Mgbako being a streaky shooter it just all of a sudden feels no different than last year and I don’t want us to have another last year. As far as Perkins goes, take the ball out of his hands, and he's a better 3 point shooter (33% in his first three years as opposed to 30% this year)...He's much better driving the ball... But with his experience, toughness, leadership, and defense and I'd take him without blinking an eye... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said: To me I don’t want to bring in players that don’t make us better. We need shooters. Let’s say Perkins, Gallo, and Newton take up all 40 minutes at the 2 spot. Yes you’ll get intensity and good at driving the ball but you’re only gonna get 30% from 3 plus add in Tucker whose known weakness is shooting the 3 plus Mgbako being a streaky shooter it just all of a sudden feels no different than last year and I don’t want us to have another last year. We all know we need better shooting but Perkins would be a big upgrade over any guard we had last year. SD St is shooting 31% from 3 and they are in the sweet 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 20 minutes ago, IUFLA said: As far as Perkins goes, take the ball out of his hands, and he's a better 3 point shooter (33% in his first three years as opposed to 30% this year)...He's much better driving the ball... But with his experience, toughness, leadership, and defense and I'd take him without blinking an eye... But don’t we already have that with Galloway and Leal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, IU Scott said: We all know we need better shooting but Perkins would be a big upgrade over any guard we had last year. SD St is shooting 31% from 3 and they are in the sweet 16 But they probably also have a coach who knows how to run a modern day offense…. We don’t! Edited March 28 by IUfaninIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Just now, IUfaninIllinois said: But don’t we already have that with Galloway and Leal? If it were me Galloway will come off the bench. I also think Perkins is a lot better player than Galloway Perkins can create his own shot and Galloway can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 Just now, IU Scott said: If it were me Galloway will come off the bench. I also think Perkins is a lot better player than Galloway Perkins can create his own shot and Galloway can't. Appreciate the insight. I hope if he comes he truly does make us better. I guess I’m just tired of not having shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 I like Perkins and think he’ll be a fantastic pickup if things get finalized like expected. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Just now, IUfaninIllinois said: But don’t we already have that with Galloway and Leal? Not nearly to the extent of Tony Perkins... Galloway might be close on D, toughness, and experience but he's a better offensive player than Trey... And Leal isn't even in that conversation... I watched Houston's Jamal Shead this year a few times, and he's a lot like Perkins... And he only shot 31% from the arc last year... But the games I watched, he was the toughest, not to mention best, player on the floor... Iron will... I think Tony Perkins can be that guy for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Get playmakers that can score, move the ball, and play competent defense. If they add the shooters I expect the spacing will be much better 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Everything is proceeding nicely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 14 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Not nearly to the extent of Tony Perkins... Galloway might be close on D, toughness, and experience but he's a better offensive player than Trey... And Leal isn't even in that conversation... I watched Houston's Jamal Shead this year a few times, and he's a lot like Perkins... And he only shot 31% from the arc last year... But the games I watched, he was the toughest, not to mention best, player on the floor... Iron will... I think Tony Perkins can be that guy for us... I just wonder why he had such a drastic falloff 9 of his last 11 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 13 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Get playmakers that can score, move the ball, and play competent defense. If they add the shooters I expect the spacing will be much better What shooters are you hearing??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 16 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said: I just wonder why he had such a drastic falloff 9 of his last 11 games. Don't know... But he was 2nd team All Big 10 according to the league coaches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Just saw CJ Wilcher of Nebraska in the portal... 39% from 3 for Hoiberg's Huskers this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paye32 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 On 3/25/2024 at 3:53 PM, Andrew said: 34 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said: I just wonder why he had such a drastic falloff 9 of his last 11 games. I've heard he finished the year with a hurt wrist but I can't confirm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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