KoB2011 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: I thought Big Dog would’ve hit those numbers but he was short by like 100 rebounds and like 40 blocks. You thought Big Dog averaged over 2 blocks and something like 14 rebounds per game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: You thought Big Dog averaged over 2 blocks and something like 14 rebounds per game? Was ambitious on blocks lol but he did average almost 12 boards a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said: How can you compare the guys those players went up against versus who Edey goes up against? Tough to compare especially from so long ago versus today. It is called the eye test and watching all the players mentioned. Edey is a great player today no doubt about it. Just watching the college game today and the talent level it isn't close to what it was in the 80's and 90's. Right now #11 Baylor is playing #10 Texas and those teams probably wouldn't be a top 25 back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 hours ago, IU Scott said: It is called the eye test and watching all the players mentioned. Edey is a great player today no doubt about it. Just watching the college game today and the talent level it isn't close to what it was in the 80's and 90's. Right now #11 Baylor is playing #10 Texas and those teams probably wouldn't be a top 25 back then. You need an eye exam bro. 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 hours ago, IU Scott said: It is called the eye test and watching all the players mentioned. Edey is a great player today no doubt about it. Just watching the college game today and the talent level it isn't close to what it was in the 80's and 90's. Right now #11 Baylor is playing #10 Texas and those teams probably wouldn't be a top 25 back then. In the 80's and 90's most people still only had 3 channels. Hell, my cousin from Kentucky didn't have a TV until late 80's. How many games a week could you watch in 1985 or even 1993 vs today? You only got to see the talented teams or team really, back then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 54 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: In the 80's and 90's most people still only had 3 channels. Hell, my cousin from Kentucky didn't have a TV until late 80's. How many games a week could you watch in 1985 or even 1993 vs today? You only got to see the talented teams or team really, back then. Let's look at the #1 team this year's roster vs 1989 national championship team and it isn't even close. Michigan PG Rumeal Robinson 6'3 1st round draft pick 2G Griffin 6'7 SF Glenn Rice 6'9 1st round draft pick PF Loy Vaught 6'9 1st round draft pick C. Chris Mills 6'10 1st round pick Purdue PG Smith 6'0 2G Loyer 6'3 SF Morton 6'5 PF Furst 6'9 C. Edey 7'4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, mrflynn03 said: In the 80's and 90's most people still only had 3 channels. Hell, my cousin from Kentucky didn't have a TV until late 80's. How many games a week could you watch in 1985 or even 1993 vs today? You only got to see the talented teams or team really, back then. I got cable in 1984 and ESPN and they usually had at least two games a night. Monday was Big Monday withe Big East playing at 7 and at 9 it was the big ten. The Big West was on at midnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Let's look at the #1 team this year's roster vs 1989 national championship team and it isn't even close. Michigan PG Rumeal Robinson 6'3 1st round draft pick 2G Griffin 6'7 SF Glenn Rice 6'9 1st round draft pick PF Loy Vaught 6'9 1st round draft pick C. Chris Mills 6'10 1st round pick Purdue PG Smith 6'0 2G Loyer 6'3 SF Morton 6'5 PF Furst 6'9 C. Edey 7'4 I'm trying to figure out which National Champion from the 90s would have trouble against Purdue. The 1990 UNLV team had 3 NBA players including Larry Johnson. The 91 and 92 Duke teams had Grant Hill and I think 7 total players go to the NBA. The 93 UNC team had 5 NBA players. The 94 Arkansas team had 3 NBA players. I'm not even going to get into the UCLA, Kentucky teams, Arizona and UConn teams that round out the NCAA MBB champions of the 90s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I got cable in 1984 and ESPN and they usually had at least two games a night. Monday was Big Monday withe Big East playing at 7 and at 9 it was the big ten. The Big West was on at midnight I have FuboTV and today I have 12 games I can watch on 6 different networks. I can watch Loyola-Chicago at Dayton on CBSSN if I wanted to. What I'm saying is they only showed the best or better teams back then. You rarely got to see the shitty ones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Let's look at the #1 team this year's roster vs 1989 national championship team and it isn't even close. Michigan PG Rumeal Robinson 6'3 1st round draft pick 2G Griffin 6'7 SF Glenn Rice 6'9 1st round draft pick PF Loy Vaught 6'9 1st round draft pick C. Chris Mills 6'10 1st round pick Purdue PG Smith 6'0 2G Loyer 6'3 SF Morton 6'5 PF Furst 6'9 C. Edey 7'4 So what. Bill Frieder paid for those guys. Talent was more concentrated to fewer teams back then and you hardly ever saw the less talented teams. Edited January 31, 2023 by mrflynn03 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: So what. Bill Frieder paid for those guys. Talent was more concentrated to fewer teams back then and you hardly ever saw the less talented teams. I got to see all the big ten teams and what does the bad teams have to do with this discussion. I was talking about top 25 teams today compared to back then. I would think a person who has seen both has a little more to go on than not seeing the teams and players Edited January 31, 2023 by IU Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 33 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Let's look at the #1 team this year's roster vs 1989 national championship team and it isn't even close. Michigan PG Rumeal Robinson 6'3 1st round draft pick 2G Griffin 6'7 SF Glenn Rice 6'9 1st round draft pick PF Loy Vaught 6'9 1st round draft pick C. Chris Mills 6'10 1st round pick Purdue PG Smith 6'0 2G Loyer 6'3 SF Morton 6'5 PF Furst 6'9 C. Edey 7'4 Holy cherry picking, batman. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I got to see all the big ten teams and what does the bad teams have to do with this discussion. I was talking about top 25 teams today compared to hack then. I would think a person who has seen both has a little more to go on than not seeing the teams and players You said watching the college game today the talent isn't as good as the 80's and 90's. I'm saying there were more bad teams back then because they didn't get the talent and you never got to see them play. Talent is distributed among more teams now than in the past. I did watch as much as I could in the 90's. I was alive, old enough to comprehend, and my dad would pick a game for me to watch and analyze as sort of a homework assignment. After the game we'd compare notes. I'm not talking out of my backside. Edited January 31, 2023 by mrflynn03 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I got to see all the big ten teams and what does the bad teams have to do with this discussion. I was talking about top 25 teams today compared to back then. I would think a person who has seen both has a little more to go on than not seeing the teams and players What you're referring to that you posses and others (allegedly) do not is called anecdotal evidence. It is generally considered a weak form of evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Holy cherry picking, batman. I can do every year if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: You said watching the college game today the talent isn't as good as the 80's and 90's. I'm saying there were more bad teams back then because they didn't get the talent and you never got to see them play. Talent is distributed among more teams now than in the past. I did watch as much as I could in the 90's. I was alive, old enough to comprehend, and my dad would pick a game for me to watch and analyze as sort of a homework assignment. After the game we'd compare notes. I'm not talking out of my backside. There were plenty of games on back then even before cable . Channel 4 showed all of the IUband Purdue games including non conference games. NBC would show probably 4 games a week. After cable ESPN showed games daily except for Fridays. We had championship week and saw every conference championship game. To me the reason for the parity is that the difference between the top teams and the bottom teams are not that far apart. It isn't because more talent at the bottom but far less talent at the top of college basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Big10 Basketball 2022-2023! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I can do every year if you want It's very sad to me that you think your generation has taken all the great things you had given to you in your youth and made it all so much worse for your kids and grandkids. But sure, go ahead and point out all the teams better than 2021 Baylor who finished 28-2 and beat an undefeated team in the National Title game. Or find more than maybe 5 teams better than 2012 Kentucky in the last 40 years. What about 2018 Villanova, they stack up pretty dang favorably to anyone. We don't have a National Champion yet for 2023, so I don't really care about Purdue at this point and this season's story is really still in the early stages. You're comparing players and teams you have the full benefit of hindsight (and nostalgia) to teams that you don't. No reasonable person would draw any meaningful conclusions from that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, kyhoosier29 said: Big10 Basketball 2022-2023! Fair point, I'll stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Let's look at the #1 team this year's roster vs 1989 national championship team and it isn't even close. Michigan PG Rumeal Robinson 6'3 1st round draft pick 2G Griffin 6'7 SF Glenn Rice 6'9 1st round draft pick PF Loy Vaught 6'9 1st round draft pick C. Chris Mills 6'10 1st round pick Purdue PG Smith 6'0 2G Loyer 6'3 SF Morton 6'5 PF Furst 6'9 C. Edey 7'4 BS. That Michigan team lost 6 conference games that year. 2 of them to us, we had NO NBA stars. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 The real question is how many NBA players Purdue's Helms Championship team had. I bet that team was so good, Edey wouldn't have been in the rotation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: There were plenty of games on back then even before cable . Channel 4 showed all of the IUband Purdue games including non conference games. NBC would show probably 4 games a week. After cable ESPN showed games daily except for Fridays. We had championship week and saw every conference championship game. To me the reason for the parity is that the difference between the top teams and the bottom teams are not that far apart. It isn't because more talent at the bottom but far less talent at the top of college basketball. So IU and PU Big 10 games. I saw those too. Well the IU games. 4 games a week, a few others, and championship games. Out of how many D1 programs. They televised the premier games. If there is far less talent at the top then where do they go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 33 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: I have FuboTV and today I have 12 games I can watch on 6 different networks. I can watch Loyola-Chicago at Dayton on CBSSN if I wanted to. What I'm saying is they only showed the best or better teams back then. You rarely got to see the shitty ones. I got to watch Purdue back then 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 I was always pissed back then because the local stations never carried Montana State games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Let's direct all talk of days gone by to our new, dedicated thread. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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